Read the latest announcements about the Islamic theism site.

2007

The Islamic world is facing challenges from within and without. Muslims need to consolidate towards unity:

• Muslims that live by example will spread their influence wider than any form of violence in the name of Islam;
• The Prophet said, "A Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands. And a Muhajir (emigrant) is the one who gives up (abandons) all what Allah has forbidden." (Sahih Bukhari, volume 1, Book 2, Number 9:Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr).
• Peace is a path of choice for any Muslim;
• Allah's Apostle said, "A time will come that the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take on the top of mountains and the places of rainfall (valleys) so as to flee with his religion from afflictions." (Sahih Bukhari, volume 1, Book 2, Number 18: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri).
• Muslims have the right to practice all aspects of their religion freely.
• The Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said : " The best fighting (Jihad) in the path of Allah is (to speak) a word of justice to an oppressive ruler." (Sunan of Abu Dawood Hadith 4330, Narrated by Abu Said al-Khudri (RA) )

February 2006

Furqaan

Theism is more relevant today as the world become more populous. There are more mosques on earth now than at any time in history, and we Muslims need to reflect the truth of our faith in our behaviour and presence. For this this site will now grow, God Willing, in a new section titled Furquaan. The choice of this word comes from the Quranic verse where Allah (SWT) says:

"O you who believe! Have Taqwa of Allah (SWT). He will give you a Furqaan (criterion to judge between right and wrong)." [Soorah al-Anfaal (8): 29]

Imaam Ibn al-Katheer (rahimahulla) said in his Tafseer, 'Ibn Abbas, as-Sudde, Ikrimah, adh-Dahhak, Qataadah and Muqaatil, Ibn Huyyan, all said about 'Furqaan' that it means a way out (from difficulty).

Mujaahid added: 'A way out from difficulty both in this world and in the Hereafter.' In a narration from Ibn Abbas, he said: "It means, 'Salvation' and in another narration from him 'being helped.' Muhammad Ishaaq said that it means: 'A criterion to judge between truth and falsehood.' This explanation from Ibn Ishaaq is the most general of what has proceeded and it is a necessary consequence of it. Since whoever has Taqwa of Allah (SWT) by obeying His commands and abandoning what He has prohibited, will be given the ability to recognize truth from falsehood.

Additionally, this verse refers to each of us and reflects a truth of our inner nature. Although we are prone to error, with the aspiration to piety (Taqwa), we can develop our ability to perceive right from wrong and emerge from hardship. We need to develop this Taqwa within our beings and make use of this furqaan to find the true leaders of Islam and global Islamic unity.

Scientology

A minor salvo was sent by Scientology recently. To this I use the reply of the current Iranian president to those who disbelieve, “don’t throw dust to the face of the sun, for it would continue to shine, regardless of your action” (President Mahmoud Ahmadi Nezhad, 11 Feb. 2006). I discuss this further rejection of a Creator by Hubbard and his followers to reenforce what has been said about Scientology in this site. I have elaborated on this letter from the Scientologist to show that God is not to be found in Scientology studies.

January 2005

After watching my father pass away from cancer, I have added a section on death.

I found a website on the 99 Names of Allah disappeared, so I have added it here.

August 2002

I recently found some information on Scientology mythology concerning how we got to earth. It centres around our pineal gland. See the chapter on earth jail.

June 2002

On 9 June 2002 I went to the Durban Scientology org, at their request, to see the Senior Case Supervisor, Ralph Gross. As it turns out, this was a second, official request for me to remove this site from public view. It is clear that they are not playing the game. He expressed his opinion, that although he had not looked at the site and had no desire to do so, he (we) felt (feel) that the site was doing harm. They did not enjoy the fact that I was inviting people away from Scientology to Islam. This was seen as a harmful action. I am currently reviewing the site to see where I have been too insulting or overly or unjustly critical. I welcome any comment. However my present feeling is that I have already burnt my bridge and they did not scare me out of my skin, so the site remains.

After all, Hubbard and Scientologists are not apologetic for their statements about Jesus and their negation of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon them). Any body of knowledge, especially one claiming to be so fundamental to existence, should weather scrutiny and challenge without having its proponents resort to lawsuits or murder or other forms of control of a single idea or perspective.

I again invited him to bring validating remarks expressed by Hubbard about the Prophets of God, namely Jesus and Muhammad. I was told by analogy that a suppressive person could not be allowed freedom of speech and would have to be restrained in some way. Ethics would have to be put in on him to make him produce in a constructive way. A common technique was to expose the suppressive’s crimes.

This was a long discussion lasting one hour. It confirmed many aspects of what I say in this site. A new aspect that emerged and which I have found in discussions with another Scientologist, the ED of the day org, is the misconception of Islamic fundamentalism. He gave me a current example of the 911 terrorist attack and said that this is fundamentalism. Well please, I beg ALL people to understand that fundamentalism is ONLY understood in the study of the way of life of the HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD, his words and actions and the revelation of the Holy Quraan. Only in his life and that of his closest companions can we see fundamental Islam and learn the true meaning of tolerance. People who so fear fundamentalist Islam should understand that terrorism is a perversion. For more details, see my comment on this site on war.

I may still remove this site, but at present I see it revealing a Truth that people need to evaluate. At one time some people believed the earth was round as opposed to the cultural beliefs of the day and they were put under great pressure for this. Similarly, Scientologists see no need for worship and if they do not want to hear this, well . . . the earth is today not flat.

In accord with this site www.ecotao.com , this is a search for compatibility between two views, both laying claim to dominance. I have not yet found the common ground.

March 2002

On 6 March 2002, I was asked to go to the Durban Scientology organisation to discuss this web site. I was told that I was abusing their copyright through the quotation of L Ron Hubbard and was asked why I would publish such as site. I replied that it was a comparison of theism and non-theistic religion, with the aim of seeking the truth.

I was told I did not request permission to publish the quotations from LRH and that I did not have Scientology approval for the site. It is that nature of this site that I quote exactly what was said by LRH as this is the only was to establish the truth. When politicians are quoted as to what they said, there is no permission necessary. I believe the same applies to the content of this site.

Much discussion centered around why I chose to compare Scientology and Islam and why I was creating a division between the two. I replied largely as I have expressed myself in this site. There was some confusion over the definition of worship, theism and how the Islamic understanding of the soul differed from that of the thetan of Scientology.

The issue is still pending.

June 2001

1. Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology References: 1
   
   Laurence Evans <ecotao@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3B2B7B43.BA507032@yahoo.com...
   Do Scientologists, as individuals, [1] believe in a Creator God [2] worship a Creator God
   I am very keen to hear replies to this. http://members.nbci.com/ecotao/theism/ le

From: "Feisty" <not@inthislife>
As a final end, I say no and no.

In the beginning, everything is possible through $cientology. The boasting of the positives you would recieve are endless - you can believe in anyone, they say.

But when you take this OT III course, this is where ElRumHubbard claims that he is the anti-christ, and that Jesus was an "implant." From this point on, there is suggestedly nothing else to believe, except that we (or those studying) have implanted remnants of dead space aliens that must be set straight. (Thus auditing, more courses, more money).

Most people I believe would say that you can worship any deity have not taken this upper level sacred text course.(Or they are not allowed to talk about the Xenu story if they have learned it. (no need to wonder why - it is a bizarre delusion). The notion that one can believe in anything is not tryue once you've had the OT III ,(after spending much money to get there). Many people have committed suicide or gone crazy after investing so much time and money to reach this course. It is the making of an ill science fiction writer.

I don't think anyone has been at a "Sunday service" in $cientology that worshipped "God." They are worshipping ElRon Hubbard. People who state that you can believe in anything are either lying or haven't paid enough to find out the truth, (or basically swear to secrecy). Most religious scholars would debate issues like these, but people who have printed exact copies of these so-called "sacred texts" have all been in court and harrassed to no end.

Feisty

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Hartley Patterson <hpttrsn@vossnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:MPG.1595a42acf4172cc989a5d@news.freeserve.net... Laurence Evans wrote: Do Scientologists, as individuals, [1] believe in a Creator God [2] worship a Creator God

This is not a meaningful question. You may as well ask how Christians get rid of body thetans.  Scientology does not address the issue of how/if the Universe was created. Some scientologists may believe in a Creator God, some may not. It is not considered important.

Then your answer is NO. Scientology does not teach anything about a creator god. JEEZ, can't people give a simple answer to a simple question around here??

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Hartley Patterson <hpttrsn@vossnet.co.uk>

That wasn't the question asked!

I said the question did not have meaning, so it could not be answered Yes or No.

Consider the question 'How fast do pigs fly?' This contains within it an implied false assumption, that pigs are capable of flight. It cannot be answered as it requires, with a speed.

The CoS does not require belief or disbelief in a Creator God at its lower levels, as it claims to have no dogma about the nature of God. The CoS says it is possible to belong to religions that do require belief in a Creator God and be a Scientologist (TM), so if such individuals are behaving logically they will hold such a belief.

A belief in God *is* required in the CoS. God is mentioned in the Creed of Scientology, and a Creed by definition is what everyone is required to believe.

At the higher levels of the CoS non-scientology beliefs are expected to have faded. If they have not, individuals are told to disconnect from their previous religion. This has nothing to do with theology, it is to do with the CoS wanting total control over the individual. Exceptions are made for people like John Travolta of course, they are told what they want to believe.

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elkube-@-min-.-net (l.l.lipshitz)
Dr. Paloma (Dr._member@newsguy.com) sez: The question gives away the underlying bigotry: Scientologists as individuals, are individuals, and thus have individual beliefs. Of course scnists are individuals.

but catholics are catholics because they share a set of core beliefs that sets them apart from methodists, jehovah's witnesses, muslims, and hindus. perhaps that's all this fellow is asking, what beliefs do scnists share that set them apart from mormons, jews, and pagans. here's an honest chance to describe your religion and you drop the ball. tsk tsk.

almost all religions have some concept of 'god'. there are exceptions, of course, like scn, but they are rare. so most people associate 'god' with religion...and most people start out inquiring about a religion by asking about its 'god' concept.

i don't see any bigotry in a simple question about scnists' beliefs (granted, i don't know the original inquirer's motivations, but why not act on scn's principle that man is inherently good and assume the best?). otoh, your instant paranoid and accusatory reply gives strong indication of bigotry at your end. it's hard to imagine how scn can be the fastest growing religion on the planet when you actively repel potential members....

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From: antivirus <unclevirus@email.co

This may help:

http://people.we.mediaone.net/carolinel/left-hand-path.html
Oops, Dr. Paloma, you got a little too snippy there. I've re-pasted my earlier message that you were replying to. Now then, shall we try again?

btw, the questions ecotao@yahoo.com posed are critically important questions. Wish I had asked myself the same questions before I got involved. Of couse, back then, scn wasn't trying to pass itself off as a religion.

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